I was also a teenager in the 90s and found jazz lame. I listened to Nirvana, Prodigy, Janis Joplin, The Doors, Metallica... Jon Bon Jovi (don't shoot!). But when I grew up š¤£ I started listening to jazz. And also a lot of new music, I abhor being musically stuck in the past! But I donn't know any of these modern jazz musician you're listing here and I also didn't know that jazz is making a come back. How cool is this? I'll listen to the tracks and get back to you!
I can relate - I really don't understand why everywhere you look online (even here) it's mostly people talking about the past... and not just 5 years ago... 30-40-50 years ago. I think a lot of it is paid industry influence to ensure their product stays on people's mind even though it's far from relevant anymore.
I actually wrote this back in March, but was waiting to post until I figure out re-branding... since then I've found at least 10 more songs that should be included, maybe I'll do a part 2 some day.
I come from Romania and I live in Austria. I'm not exaggerating when I say that when I go to bars, restaurants, shops I listen to the same music as during my childhood and teenaged years. š
I also have a funny story: When I was a teenager I was so obsessed with Nirvana that many of my girlfriends started listening to the band. Several years ago I actually met some and they are still listening to Nirvana decades later!!! They were shocked that I'm not.
LOL.. I was recently complaining to a friend about the grocery store music too. They were playing EMF's "Unbelievable"! Oddly enough that only lasted a couple weeks, or so.. but, still... for a while there, going to buy eggs was like watching MTV circa 90-93ish.
re: Nirvana.... lol.. I got into Nirvana in end of 1993, so... as you can probably guess, as an angsty teenager the following year rendered me OBSESSED for the next 3-4 years. I got all the rarest demos I could get my hands on... all the "outcesticide" compilations, if you remember those. By the end of the 90s I had totally moved on. I really can't even listen to that stuff anymore ā can't be in that headspace these days.
Man, was the guy depressed! I got into Nirvana in 1994 I think. A year later I started reading Emil Cioran, a Romanian/French philosopher more depressing than Nietzsche... One of the books was titled 'Tears and Saints: https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/300448 To put it mildly, that was not a good combination.
One summer in 2004 I worked in a shop and we had the most mainstream radio station on all day long. And they played the same songs every day! For 4 months!! Whenever I hear one of those songs today I get a bit š¤Æ
what ends up happening with jazz and younger listeners, I think, is many of them won't go straight into Coltrane, but they will get into something else -- something more "modern" to them, and even then, not straight-up covers -- that incorporates jazz in some way that then sends them down the rabbit hole; and then it's up to them to work out their taste for old and new, classic and fusion, etc. so a lot of people go on a version of your journey, though jazz-metal is a pretty funny on-ramp.
I don't know if you happened to listen the Y-Otis video that was embedded in the middle of the article (Live in Berlin), but I've listened to that maybe 20, 30 times... twice in a row more than few times. I'm listening to it right now.
That said, I can listen to Miles Davis... and.. I can recognize that it's good, but... outside of a few phrases here and there, it really does nothing for me (I do like some stuff from "Get Up With It", but I feel like that was mostly his band).
Which makes me wonder if someone who's actually into Jazz in general would like Y-OTIS, or would they think it's gimmicky (or worse). I asked Ted Gioa, but he kinda dodged the question and gave me a link to one of his articles... I'm guessing actual engagement is locked behind a paywall, or something Oh well. [EDIT: I said, as I look at a notification counter that is actually him replying to me in one of his notes ā so maybe ITA, but I would still like to know]
that session in Berlin goes hard and I'm def somewhat frustrated by my immediate lack of options for going to see them live myself. I know a few jazz critics and fans who are totally open to stuff like this, but they are all people who are also independently into the other sounds and styles being thrown in with jazz here. the sort of jazz partisan who is opposed to hip-hop and/or computer music will likely find it gimmicky, as you say.
EDIT: to your points about jazz that's more squarely jazz, I'll put it like this. jazz is, to me, the best live music, full-stop. what this has meant in my experience is that you really have to spend some time seeing bands of various styles live to really start to work out what you think and how you feel about jazz; to work out whether you are a "jazz person." there are great recordings, of course, but jazz is live music, to me.
Ha! Notice that's what happened with Jerseyband ā it was a live show, not a recording (and I was actually there to see the band they opened for, Estradasphere). They started playing and I was like WTF is this??! Again, I don't know if you clicked that link (I prob should have embedded) to the Jerseyband vid, but... even on a *14* EDIT: 16 year old youtube video they sound amazing to me. Ignore the misguided attempts at trying to be wacky to stand out and imagine seeing this cold: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib98peQbbGM
Iām learning a lot from this list. And Iām a horn player who played in the 90s. š¤š»
I was also a teenager in the 90s and found jazz lame. I listened to Nirvana, Prodigy, Janis Joplin, The Doors, Metallica... Jon Bon Jovi (don't shoot!). But when I grew up š¤£ I started listening to jazz. And also a lot of new music, I abhor being musically stuck in the past! But I donn't know any of these modern jazz musician you're listing here and I also didn't know that jazz is making a come back. How cool is this? I'll listen to the tracks and get back to you!
*"I abhor being musically stuck in the past!"*
I can relate - I really don't understand why everywhere you look online (even here) it's mostly people talking about the past... and not just 5 years ago... 30-40-50 years ago. I think a lot of it is paid industry influence to ensure their product stays on people's mind even though it's far from relevant anymore.
I actually wrote this back in March, but was waiting to post until I figure out re-branding... since then I've found at least 10 more songs that should be included, maybe I'll do a part 2 some day.
I come from Romania and I live in Austria. I'm not exaggerating when I say that when I go to bars, restaurants, shops I listen to the same music as during my childhood and teenaged years. š
I also have a funny story: When I was a teenager I was so obsessed with Nirvana that many of my girlfriends started listening to the band. Several years ago I actually met some and they are still listening to Nirvana decades later!!! They were shocked that I'm not.
LOL.. I was recently complaining to a friend about the grocery store music too. They were playing EMF's "Unbelievable"! Oddly enough that only lasted a couple weeks, or so.. but, still... for a while there, going to buy eggs was like watching MTV circa 90-93ish.
re: Nirvana.... lol.. I got into Nirvana in end of 1993, so... as you can probably guess, as an angsty teenager the following year rendered me OBSESSED for the next 3-4 years. I got all the rarest demos I could get my hands on... all the "outcesticide" compilations, if you remember those. By the end of the 90s I had totally moved on. I really can't even listen to that stuff anymore ā can't be in that headspace these days.
Man, was the guy depressed! I got into Nirvana in 1994 I think. A year later I started reading Emil Cioran, a Romanian/French philosopher more depressing than Nietzsche... One of the books was titled 'Tears and Saints: https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/300448 To put it mildly, that was not a good combination.
One summer in 2004 I worked in a shop and we had the most mainstream radio station on all day long. And they played the same songs every day! For 4 months!! Whenever I hear one of those songs today I get a bit š¤Æ
what ends up happening with jazz and younger listeners, I think, is many of them won't go straight into Coltrane, but they will get into something else -- something more "modern" to them, and even then, not straight-up covers -- that incorporates jazz in some way that then sends them down the rabbit hole; and then it's up to them to work out their taste for old and new, classic and fusion, etc. so a lot of people go on a version of your journey, though jazz-metal is a pretty funny on-ramp.
I don't know if you happened to listen the Y-Otis video that was embedded in the middle of the article (Live in Berlin), but I've listened to that maybe 20, 30 times... twice in a row more than few times. I'm listening to it right now.
That said, I can listen to Miles Davis... and.. I can recognize that it's good, but... outside of a few phrases here and there, it really does nothing for me (I do like some stuff from "Get Up With It", but I feel like that was mostly his band).
Which makes me wonder if someone who's actually into Jazz in general would like Y-OTIS, or would they think it's gimmicky (or worse). I asked Ted Gioa, but he kinda dodged the question and gave me a link to one of his articles... I'm guessing actual engagement is locked behind a paywall, or something Oh well. [EDIT: I said, as I look at a notification counter that is actually him replying to me in one of his notes ā so maybe ITA, but I would still like to know]
that session in Berlin goes hard and I'm def somewhat frustrated by my immediate lack of options for going to see them live myself. I know a few jazz critics and fans who are totally open to stuff like this, but they are all people who are also independently into the other sounds and styles being thrown in with jazz here. the sort of jazz partisan who is opposed to hip-hop and/or computer music will likely find it gimmicky, as you say.
EDIT: to your points about jazz that's more squarely jazz, I'll put it like this. jazz is, to me, the best live music, full-stop. what this has meant in my experience is that you really have to spend some time seeing bands of various styles live to really start to work out what you think and how you feel about jazz; to work out whether you are a "jazz person." there are great recordings, of course, but jazz is live music, to me.
"jazz is, to me, the best live music, full-stop."
Ha! Notice that's what happened with Jerseyband ā it was a live show, not a recording (and I was actually there to see the band they opened for, Estradasphere). They started playing and I was like WTF is this??! Again, I don't know if you clicked that link (I prob should have embedded) to the Jerseyband vid, but... even on a *14* EDIT: 16 year old youtube video they sound amazing to me. Ignore the misguided attempts at trying to be wacky to stand out and imagine seeing this cold: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib98peQbbGM